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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8364342" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>That isn't the same as competence. Consequences or not, are not a good enough measure. Not being able to intimidate that mayor in my example could likely have consequences and once you say yes it could have consequences if your abilities are not invested  they are mechanically stagnate like an untrained level 1 character, identical in fact.  Just like the saving throws you are not trained in get worse and worse relative to the adversaries save requirements  (do DMs get to fiat one out of saving throws too /sarcasm). In other words that general competence is not represented by anything mechanically... at best you may get DM fiat, I do not generally trust that. In 4e the general competence grows as you level and its obvious. Enter hyperbole mode => level is supposed to have meaning in D&D and not just for hit points.</p></blockquote><p></p>