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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8364434" data-attributes="member: 82504">Situations pick what actions need to be done as often as player choices unless you live in ideal land.relative to the player ability or with utter disregard so that tiamat eats the party game over? it is less constrained in 5e but not unconstrained.Some fighter knight that normally has no desire to intimidate but he wants to be seen as the good guy and managed to get on the round table because he really was. &nbsp; &quot;And then you're saying that whatever the Knights have to do involves intimidating the mayor, who is built to be a pretty serious guy with high stats and save proficiencies (uncommon in 5e for NPCs). &quot;does not have to be too high if the &quot;heroes&quot; are mechanically just apprentices. &nbsp;&quot;Essentially, you're claiming this mayor is a low level guy, but he's built with high level stats,&nbsp; and then you're claiming the Knights are high level, but need to, for some reason, just intimidate this weird low-but-not-low threat mayor guy.&quot;5e even encourages random stat rolls... but I think you are exaggerating the need for high stats to oppose someone with no training and the wrong stat for the task.&nbsp;&nbsp; He is still a mayor unless the knights want to be the bad guys themselves actually beating him up ought to be a no no.&nbsp; He has home territory and a room full of sycophants and gets advantage because of a need to maintain face with them... cancels any advantage you want to pull for the fighter knight. Which is significantly most of the time they fail and half of time even if he is only +4 on the Wis save and that is if you are using the alternate rule allowing strength to be used for the particular task. Wonder what the wizard can swap out when trying to get through the mayors boring cellar door.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8364434, member: 82504"] Situations pick what actions need to be done as often as player choices unless you live in ideal land. relative to the player ability or with utter disregard so that tiamat eats the party game over? it is less constrained in 5e but not unconstrained. Some fighter knight that normally has no desire to intimidate but he wants to be seen as the good guy and managed to get on the round table because he really was. "And then you're saying that whatever the Knights have to do involves intimidating the mayor, who is built to be a pretty serious guy with high stats and save proficiencies (uncommon in 5e for NPCs). " does not have to be too high if the "heroes" are mechanically just apprentices. "Essentially, you're claiming this mayor is a low level guy, but he's built with high level stats, and then you're claiming the Knights are high level, but need to, for some reason, just intimidate this weird low-but-not-low threat mayor guy." 5e even encourages random stat rolls... but I think you are exaggerating the need for high stats to oppose someone with no training and the wrong stat for the task. He is still a mayor unless the knights want to be the bad guys themselves actually beating him up ought to be a no no. He has home territory and a room full of sycophants and gets advantage because of a need to maintain face with them... cancels any advantage you want to pull for the fighter knight. Which is significantly most of the time they fail and half of time even if he is only +4 on the Wis save and that is if you are using the alternate rule allowing strength to be used for the particular task. Wonder what the wizard can swap out when trying to get through the mayors boring cellar door. [/QUOTE]

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