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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8364513" data-attributes="member: 82504">When you are talking about the 5e which encourages low level threats and that demonstrating incompetence all on its own like the untrained saving throws, without a comparison to 4e being neededI am assuming that some social solution is requireddoes not have to be "for the first time" to fill up your letter count, it just needs to be does not value or want to do it often enough to have put resources into it and its not like 4e where you get to subdivide your design resources a lot... 5e an investment is big on purpose. No or I don't think that is accurate description I am feeling a bit ill today. I just initially vaguely defined a situation and you wanted details for why it could happen since you provided ones some of which were and implied it should not happen, I provided what seemed like the most likely situational ones which are also why it is indeed something to send the knight to and why a mayor who was ahem off the rails was a situation with consequences. (i was thinking just the one knight since farming out to another who might be a paladin or warlords battlemaster means the scenario would never happen and I do not see many full parties that bereft of someone who does face work)   ... as we agreed to make the die roll their probably needed to be implications/consequences and the mayor had to have something normal for mayors ie supporters.Now why were the authorities sending this low charisma knight into this scenario he is not so suited for? there is your secret plot perhaps this character can figure out.I was mostly thinking moral support. But that is a 5e thing right large quantities of low levels can just be used if it turns physical or otherwise I would however pull out things like a squad from the town guard and an angry mob (swarm of appropriate level) though I was thinking more like level 15 for the knight so it needs to be way too big well provoked mob and way too competent guards for the town. So lets make him level 11 in 4e. He just hit paragon (round table knight lowest level aka like 1es name level heh).The scenario if it went physical he might still be able to cut through pretty well but again Intimidating to stop that from going down regardless could be much better than being the bad guy for this character it would be a failure on one check of a skill challenge (if not 2)And in the 4e version the mayor might even be an at level minion for the knight and be the puppet to an actual enemy on the back end.I was vaguely attempting to point out the scenario of lack of generalized competence might occur with any character type and that tricks like using the alternate stats to buff a skill from completely neglected to having a foundation might not work in other versions of the problem.</blockquote>

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