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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Question" data-source="post: 3047571" data-attributes="member: 40104">The funny thing is i dont see any note in the template that vampires must drain blood or get destroyed in X days or whatever.The thing is you DONT want an entire army, unless the campaign revolves around evil PCs trying to conquer a kingdom for themselves. They just slow you down. Marching around with legions of canon fodder to go on adventures is not a good idea. You attract attention a LOT faster this way. It SHOULD come back and bite you in the ass.  Also masses of vampire spawn made from low level commoners dont really do anything to CR 10+ encountersIn most campaigns the only problem i can see with dominate is if the PC uses it to try and mass dominate people into giving them free stuff, after which they will have a hard time going back as the authorities will probably have a flood of reports that a vampire of so and so description mass-dominated shopkeepers and stole items, it may even result in undead hunters sent after the PC. A smart DM will never say "Yea, you dominate all the shopkeepers in the city, make off with all their gold and valuable items, you now have about 1.5 million in gold with no consequences.".A wiz 5 ECL 13 vampire cannot do anything to CR 10 encounters, let alone CR 13. The best spell they can cast is fireball. cast Fireball, gaseous form to run away at 20 ft, OWNED BY MAGIC/MAGIC WEAPONS IN ONE HIT, retreat to coffin, get no XP/loot because you did nothing.Rogues are even worse. The irony is that a human rogue of the same ECL as a vampire rogue has the exact same mods for move silently, hide, so on and so forth, so the vampire isnt better.....its actually worse as the human rogue has better ranks in stuff like diplomacy or disable device. A rogue 5 isnt going to be able to do anything in combat either.......they have +3 BAB at ECL 13!You are thinking of NPC vampires who CAN pull sneaky tricks off to seriously hurt the party. The problem is PC vampires cannot pull the same tricks off due to what is effectively a 6 level difference in power. All the abilities the vampire template has, barring fast healing and ability score adjustments are much more useful for a NPC, thus the CR should be higher than the LA, because the abilities are not as useful for PCs.</blockquote>

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