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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bardsandsages" data-source="post: 3050530" data-attributes="member: 28771">A few things:A vampire gets a +6 bonus to Strength.  This means an extra +3 to attack and +3 to damage rolls.  Assume for the sake of arguement the base 5th level creature is a fighter and already had a strength 16.  You now have a creature with a Strength 22.  Put a Greatsword in his hand and without any feats he's doing 2d6+9 damage on a successful hit, and has a +11 to his attack roll.  Add to this that this fighter has a Natural Armor bonus of +6 and a Dex bonus of +4.  Assume his base Dex was only 14.  As a vampire it becomes an 18.  Before you even put any armor on him his AC is 20!   Oh, wait, he gets the Dodge feat for free.  So his AC against a single opponenet would be 21.Again, this is before you add any associated feats or magical gear.  Or, he can just punch you with a slam attack, doing 1d6+6 damage and energy drain.Now all the sudden his 13th level opponent is effectively 11th level.A vampire properly designed and equipped is a deadly PC as a fighter.  Maybe he doesn't have as many hit points as a 13th level fighter, but he's automatically healing 5 a round anyway.</blockquote>