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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rallek" data-source="post: 4247385" data-attributes="member: 8463">- HongArgumentum ad Hominem is literally, an argument to the man, one in which you attempt to shift the burden of proof from yourself to your interlocutor, or actively refute their claim by attacking not the point raised but a characteristic, belief, or quality of said interlocutor. Perhaps your "typing" me as a certain kind of DM was not an attempt to do this, that's why I chose to interpret it as merely a red herring. Either way, it was off topic, and non-productive in the context of the argument.One last shot at explanation on the minion matter. The problem isn't that some creatures are stronger than others, the problem is the ambiguity created by one-hit-kill creatures existing across all levels and being, potentially, indistinguishable from non one-hit-kill variates of the same creature. I feel that this damages the naive rationalism that help make the fictional game world more accessible to players, and by extension their characters. There are also world building issues clustered around the existence of minions, especially if they exist in significant numbers, but that is a separate debate. As stated before, these are simply my opinions disagree at your leisure. So where do you stand on the kobold armor debate?Happy GamingEDIT: - Mister DougNo, not every classed orc has songs sung about him, it was merely an illustration of a way to avoid the "unfair surprise" problem within the existing paradigm. But since we're on the subject, if PCs are showing up to off this shaman and his minion buddies, then I would imagine that they probably didn't get lost on the way to the privy and wind up at an orc hold. More likely they went there  specifically to murder the shaman. This raises the question of how they knew he was there. Odds are the orcs are causing trouble for someone, and that someone would like the trouble resolved. From what I understand of D&D orcs causing trouble is usually of the burn/pillage/slaughter variety, and one would think if that was the sort of trouble afoot, survivors may just talk about the orc bringing it. So yes, I think it is reasonable that a powerful orc who happens to dwell in a place the PCs are likely to go might have a story or two going around about his exploits locally.The same is not true of Orc Warlord number 16 dwelling with his clan 1000 miles from nowhere, but the PCs didn't show up to share murder time with him, did they? Let him start some trouble that the locals can't handle, then word can get out, and then PCs are more likely to go there, what with rewards and/or macguffins and all.But all of this is beside the point, as I stated up front 4e isn't looking tempting to me, and 3.x isn't my system of choice either, (though I am coming to like the heavily house-ruled E6 variant I'm currently running) I was just sharing some thoughts on minions, kobold armor, naive rationalism and gaming.So what do you think about the kobold armor debate?Happy Gaming</blockquote>

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