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<blockquote data-quote="Mirrorrorrim" data-source="post: 9061567" data-attributes="member: 7040132">The Versatile ability is very weak and is not something that anyone ever plans to use. It is a fallback that is more rarely used than any other weapon property. You're not losing anything by a Weapon Master being able to effectively negate it with Flex. It is existing rarely-used design that can be the root of something additive and better (i.e. Flex). I also don't believe the Versatile ability itself needs to change to be more powerful. It shouldn't make a longword do a better job at being a greatsword than the greatsword itself due to flexibility. Additionally, something that works all the time should not be as powerful as something that is situational. Flex is fine for what it does. It increases weapon damage size (which impacts every normal and critical hit), and is a pure upgrade for people who want to use two weapons or sword and board, and don't want otherwise complicated mechanics (more than they get from their other abilities).Also, longswords don't also need to have their base weapon mastery make them the king of all weapons... again. They are reliable and effective, and this design supports that. I do hope that the final 2024 books will include design that allows a person to invest choices that allow dual-wielding 2 versatile weapons with Flex damage dice and ability score mod on the off-hand damage, without requiring the Light or Finesse property. I want my dual-warhammer/warpick dwarven warrior to be able to open a (reasonable) can of whoop! There are lots of people who've enjoyed dual-wielding longswords too. The path to such design should be available.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mirrorrorrim, post: 9061567, member: 7040132"] The Versatile ability is very weak and is not something that anyone ever plans to use. It is a fallback that is more rarely used than any other weapon property. You're not losing anything by a Weapon Master being able to effectively negate it with Flex. It is existing rarely-used design that can be the root of something additive and better (i.e. Flex). I also don't believe the Versatile ability itself needs to change to be more powerful. It shouldn't make a longword do a better job at being a greatsword than the greatsword itself due to flexibility. Additionally, something that works all the time should not be as powerful as something that is situational. Flex is fine for what it does. It increases weapon damage size (which impacts every normal and critical hit), and is a pure upgrade for people who want to use two weapons or sword and board, and don't want otherwise complicated mechanics (more than they get from their other abilities). Also, longswords don't also need to have their base weapon mastery make them the king of all weapons... again. They are reliable and effective, and this design supports that. I do hope that the final 2024 books will include design that allows a person to invest choices that allow dual-wielding 2 versatile weapons with Flex damage dice and ability score mod on the off-hand damage, without requiring the Light or Finesse property. I want my dual-warhammer/warpick dwarven warrior to be able to open a (reasonable) can of whoop! There are lots of people who've enjoyed dual-wielding longswords too. The path to such design should be available. [/QUOTE]

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