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<blockquote data-quote="Shewolf" data-source="post: 1294928" data-attributes="member: 4619">I won't even touch the gunplay issue... of course, there's been some tweaking to those rules since we started Americanarchy that make it a little less foolish...(I love houserules)Personally, I don't see non-lethal damage as a shortcoming.&nbsp; Like most systems - especially those that are rushed out to meet deadlines - a few tweaks and &quot;common sense&quot; alterations are necessary.&nbsp; But &quot;why try?&quot;&nbsp; Hmmm... let's see - maybe to avoid accidentally killing the target, thus having to face the cops coming down on the characters for murder... or maybe the characters just aren't that interested in killing people.Just because the player and GM know that the blow won't cause damage - what makes the character have any idea how resilient his opponent will be?&nbsp; Personally (and this is one of the &quot;common sense&quot; rulings in my game), 13 points of damage... lethal - it takes you down 13 points.&nbsp; Non-lethal - while it doesn't do any &quot;damage,&quot; the target stumbles and is disoriented for the round.Again, I won't touch the vehicles... for the same reason as the guns.&nbsp; They're in serious need of work - but there seems to be a focus on fixing those (from third-party publishers and such), so I'll hold my complaints till we see what happens.In spite of my arguments... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I agree</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shewolf, post: 1294928, member: 4619"] I won't even touch the gunplay issue... of course, there's been some tweaking to those rules since we started Americanarchy that make it a little less foolish...(I love houserules) Personally, I don't see non-lethal damage as a shortcoming. Like most systems - especially those that are rushed out to meet deadlines - a few tweaks and "common sense" alterations are necessary. But "why try?" Hmmm... let's see - maybe to avoid accidentally killing the target, thus having to face the cops coming down on the characters for murder... or maybe the characters just aren't that interested in killing people. Just because the player and GM know that the blow won't cause damage - what makes the character have any idea how resilient his opponent will be? Personally (and this is one of the "common sense" rulings in my game), 13 points of damage... lethal - it takes you down 13 points. Non-lethal - while it doesn't do any "damage," the target stumbles and is disoriented for the round. Again, I won't touch the vehicles... for the same reason as the guns. They're in serious need of work - but there seems to be a focus on fixing those (from third-party publishers and such), so I'll hold my complaints till we see what happens. In spite of my arguments... ;) I agree [/QUOTE]

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