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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khur" data-source="post: 1296164" data-attributes="member: 5583">Huh? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Sorry, but I don't get it.On the stun grenade thing, the fact that the person has his or her full bonus to Defense stops you from just binding and gagging them, first off. Secondly, I don't have info on the stun grenade (where is it?), but if the effects last only a round or two, that's not enough time to effectively bind and gag. If you're talking about the flash-bang, that's 1d6 rounds dazed, which is perhaps enough time barring the fact that the character has no penalty to Defense. As for 2d10 (avg. 11) nonlethal damage—pretty light if you ask me.My first instinct as a GM is to say yes. Unfortunately, a successful feint doesn't render a subject flat-footed, but only makes him lose his Dex bonus to Defense. That's not technically the same thing, so the rules don't really support my instinct. Perhaps the Q&A (Bullet Points?) on the WotC Modern site has more on this sort of thing.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>