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<blockquote data-quote="d4" data-source="post: 1307941" data-attributes="member: 12699">i'm an Army veteran who spent much of my time in service with an infantry unit and was trained as an armorer (weapon maintenance), so i'd like to think i've got a pretty good grasp of automatic and burst fire.the d20 Modern rules look fine to me.automatic fire isn't really meant to hit anything. i like the way d20 Modern does it, where autofire is basically suppressive fire -- you're attacking an area, and anyone in the area has a chance to get hit. that's the way soldiers are trained to use autofire. now, if you want to focus on one particular target, it's actually not that easy. most autofire weapons have a lot of recoil, and i know from experience that trying to keep the weapon tightly aimed at a particular target on full auto can range from quite difficult to almost impossible, depending on how much &quot;kick&quot; the weapon has.as far as burst fire goes, i think that works fine too, and i don't mind the Wis 13 prereq (with one caveat). trying to keep a full auto weapon focused on one target and only squeeze off a couple of rounds so that it won't buck that much isn't an easy task. as you mentioned, the 3-round burst setting on the M16A2 was specifically added to keep soldiers from wasting too much ammo, because most of them couldn't time the burst right and ended up shooting too many rounds, which decreases accuracy considerably.now a weapon that actually has a 3- or 5-round burst setting shouldn't require the Wisdom prereq to use on that setting, but trying to use a full auto weapon as if it had a shorter burst setting should.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="d4, post: 1307941, member: 12699"] i'm an Army veteran who spent much of my time in service with an infantry unit and was trained as an armorer (weapon maintenance), so i'd like to think i've got a pretty good grasp of automatic and burst fire. the d20 Modern rules look fine to me. automatic fire isn't really meant to hit anything. i like the way d20 Modern does it, where autofire is basically suppressive fire -- you're attacking an area, and anyone in the area has a chance to get hit. that's the way soldiers are trained to use autofire. now, if you want to focus on one particular target, it's actually not that easy. most autofire weapons have a lot of recoil, and i know from experience that trying to keep the weapon tightly aimed at a particular target on full auto can range from quite difficult to almost impossible, depending on how much "kick" the weapon has. as far as burst fire goes, i think that works fine too, and i don't mind the Wis 13 prereq (with one caveat). trying to keep a full auto weapon focused on one target [i]and[/i] only squeeze off a couple of rounds so that it won't buck that much isn't an easy task. as you mentioned, the 3-round burst setting on the M16A2 was specifically added to keep soldiers from wasting too much ammo, because most of them couldn't time the burst right and ended up shooting too many rounds, which decreases accuracy considerably. now a weapon that actually [i]has[/i] a 3- or 5-round burst setting shouldn't require the Wisdom prereq to use on that setting, but trying to use a full auto weapon [i]as if[/i] it had a shorter burst setting should. [/QUOTE]

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