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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bran Blackbyrd" data-source="post: 1313642" data-attributes="member: 1710">I agree, that quote was just an argument I've seen people use.And this is why the age of instant feedback cuts both ways. :/Which brings me to my next point;Facts don't usually irritate me, though the manner in which they are presented sometimes does. Also, as I said, I am well aware of when D20 SW came out, I bought it. Also, you seem to have misunderstood something I said; for the record I did NOT say that one needed real-world experience to support the current system, but that that seemed to be your opinion. My reason for this? You readily stated your inexperience in the area of automatic weapons, but ask for everyone's credentials when they say they are content with the rules that are already in place. That was what prompted my comment.I think that reciting a litany of real-world experience as a basis for one's stance on a game of pretend to be more than a little silly, but since I'm apparently still under your microscope... I am not, nor have I ever been in the military. However I have handled a variety of firearms including but not necessarily limited to; various shotguns, handguns in .357, .22, .45 and other calibers, rifles in .22, .17, 7.99mm, etc. and a few automatic weapons (many years and a few laws ago).The main thing that irritates me here is that many of these gripes will never be resolved. Never. But a new thread about these issues crops up every few weeks.Just for kicks, let's look at what could possibly change.1: WoTC does nothing. People continue to gripe.2: WoTC re-releases D20 Modern but with the VP/WP system. Everyone who thought it was fine as-is complains.3: WoTC re-releases D20 Modern with both sets of rules. People complain that they should have picked one system and that having both in there makes the statblocks hard to read.4: WoTC releases D20 Modern with the VP/WP system but continues to publish the original book as well so people can choose whatever they want. People complain that this will divide the D20M community and that the company's resources could be better put towards new products.5: A free PDF is released by WoTC that totally spells out how VP/WP is to be used with D20M. Proponents of the VP/WP system gripe about how that system should have been used to begin with and that having the rules in the book would have been more convenient than toting around print-outs of the PDF and the books.Well, you get the idea. There's no way that everyone is going to be happy. Though I am guilty of partaking in this particular hijack, enough threads are started on the issues of auto/burst fire, non-lethal attacks and WP/WP that those concerns could have been mentioned here without completely co-opting this thread into the debate.At least it didn't turn into a brawl on whether or not it should have been a classless system.</blockquote>

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