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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ledded" data-source="post: 1317918" data-attributes="member: 12744">Some good, and reasonably civil <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, discussion here guys. And I agree with you, some folks just get a bit too serious over the wrong things. While I have been known to argue a point like a deranged pit-bull wrangling a fresh hambone at times, I usually can debate someone without resorting to personal attacks or childish insults (however, pointed sarcasm does crop up from time-to-time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ). Most of these debates have not been over a specific existing game mechanic that I like/dont like, as our group uses the ones that are good (majority) and simply house rules the ones we dont care for. The only in-book rule things I tend to get worked up over are specific things like weapon weights/descriptions that could have been correct if someone had only taken the time to research them, and similar stuff that can affect gameplay.  And I realize that I'm fairly neurotic about that, as most folks simply dont care how much a greatsword really weighs or the real difference between full plate and plate mail. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> As far as the complaints that these designers get, I do think that they seperate the wheat from the chaff as well as can be expected. Look at the differences between the Star Wars d20 Core Rulebook and the Revised CR. They literally took tons of suggestions and incorporated them into a new book, making the hard decisions that didnt make everyone happy but still responded to the feedback (good and bad) that they received. Although I did see a recent Rich Redman article on the Wizards site that was interesting in that he quoted and answered what I thought were a couple of pretty stupid questions, and did so toungue-in-cheek without being offensive to the party in question. So they may read some of the more unsubstantiated complaints but I think they take 'em with a grain of salt, more or less. And as far as people 'brawling' over this stuff, I have seen some pretty nasty threads on some of the different boards sometimes. I'm glad that we can debate something with passion on these boards without getting smacked down, while the moderators seem to know when to close something that gets totally out of hand. Others, like the wizards boards, have much more heavy-handed moderators, but that isnt necessarily a bad thing.</blockquote>

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