Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8718388" data-attributes="member: 7026617"><p>I really think it has more to do with the fact that unless the GM is deliberately low-balling encounters, it kind of demands a certain degree of engagement if you want good outcomes; its not a game you can get by on autopilot or by doing all the heavy lifting during character creation and advancement.&nbsp; There's a few slightly substandard choices (though to what degree is kind of in the eye of the observer) but not much in the way of &quot;I win&quot; buttons.&nbsp; That just means you have to actually pay attention to the &quot;game&quot; part of PF2e, and, seriously, that's not what some people are used to, or really, want.&nbsp; I think that's been a big part of Retreater's problem (since he seems to have bad luck finding people to do that) or the person in one of these recent threads who mentioned a barbarian player who bailed on on the game when he figured out that just going in swinging was not going to work out a lot (which I have a little sympathy for since that's a lot of people's image of &quot;barbarian&quot; but PF2e is just not that game).</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8718388, member: 7026617"] I really think it has more to do with the fact that unless the GM is deliberately low-balling encounters, it kind of demands a certain degree of engagement if you want good outcomes; its not a game you can get by on autopilot or by doing all the heavy lifting during character creation and advancement. There's a few slightly substandard choices (though to what degree is kind of in the eye of the observer) but not much in the way of "I win" buttons. That just means you have to actually pay attention to the "game" part of PF2e, and, seriously, that's not what some people are used to, or really, want. I think that's been a big part of Retreater's problem (since he seems to have bad luck finding people to do that) or the person in one of these recent threads who mentioned a barbarian player who bailed on on the game when he figured out that just going in swinging was not going to work out a lot (which I have a little sympathy for since that's a lot of people's image of "barbarian" but PF2e is just not that game). [/QUOTE]

Verification