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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8721687" data-attributes="member: 7026617">If there were no other factors in play, I'd agree, but as I said there are.&nbsp; Single target damage is, frankly, a big part of the function of martials and other non-casters, and as such, I think its just something casters are going to have to learn to live with not being too exciting.&nbsp; Ones that do things like avoid most damage resistance, poke at vulnerabilities, have riders or do something else interesting is the best I'm willing to cede them.I think its going to be hard to set that up so the tradeoff seems reasonable without going fairly far down the 4e road.And I'll admit I'm basing my assumptions about observations of what worked for the casters in the Age of Ashes campaign I was in that just concluded last night.&nbsp; But again, I have to qualify that of the three casters in the group, only one was a prepared caster--but even he didn't seem to run out of useful things to do very often, and that's accounting for the fact they were a witch, which I'm given to understand is not over-equipped with spell slots.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8721687, member: 7026617"] If there were no other factors in play, I'd agree, but as I said there are. Single target damage is, frankly, a big part of the function of martials and other non-casters, and as such, I think its just something casters are going to have to learn to live with not being too exciting. Ones that do things like avoid most damage resistance, poke at vulnerabilities, have riders or do something else interesting is the best I'm willing to cede them. I think its going to be hard to set that up so the tradeoff seems reasonable without going fairly far down the 4e road. And I'll admit I'm basing my assumptions about observations of what worked for the casters in the Age of Ashes campaign I was in that just concluded last night. But again, I have to qualify that of the three casters in the group, only one was a prepared caster--but even he didn't seem to run out of useful things to do very often, and that's accounting for the fact they were a witch, which I'm given to understand is not over-equipped with spell slots. [/QUOTE]

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