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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 8725622" data-attributes="member: 42040">Right. And my anecdote is that I can't run or play Pathfinder 2e for the various reasons I've given. It's failing for me, my groups, and (as far as I can tell) my local community (based on the no-shows to PFS, the books sitting on store shelves, etc.). While this isn't at all indicative of a broad failure across the hobby industry, at least for the segment of the population that includes my groups and community (which are largely 5e-centric), these experiences may be more common than those already predisposed to be fans of PF2. So in my posts I've said numerous times &quot;this is why it doesn't work for my group&quot; and &quot;this is why it fails for my group.&quot; I'm certainly aware that the people for whom I've GMed PF2 include only 17 unique players. I'm aware that I'm only a single GM (albeit one with a lot of investment and experience in the hobby), but if I'm consistently getting the same results, logic says that there must be something wrong. I don't think it's wrong to speak about our experiences with the system - people can learn from those posts. Also, I don't think it's wrong for you to say &quot;hey, we're having a great time with PF2,&quot; and I'm not going to argue with you about your opinion of the system.But you, specifically, keep coming at me with insulting takes on my experiences. And I can tell you that I have tried numerous times with various groups to run a great PF2 game. I can tell you also that I've been running games for 30 years, multiple campaigns simultaneously, professionally published in the 3.x/PF1 and 5e eras. I've put in hundreds of hours running demonstrations and test encounters on PF2 on Foundry. I've purchased a good deal of PF2 products (including 3PP content). I've tried to run three different Adventure Paths - none of which got past the second book.I know what my experiences are, thank you. They are valid. My experiences are likely shared by others too - not the entire world, granted. So I can say that &quot;these are the things that concern me about PF2&quot; and &quot;these are the things that would've improved the experience for me.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 8725622, member: 42040"] Right. And my anecdote is that I can't run or play Pathfinder 2e for the various reasons I've given. It's failing for me, my groups, and (as far as I can tell) my local community (based on the no-shows to PFS, the books sitting on store shelves, etc.). While this isn't at all indicative of a broad failure across the hobby industry, at least for the segment of the population that includes my groups and community (which are largely 5e-centric), these experiences may be more common than those already predisposed to be fans of PF2. So in my posts I've said numerous times "this is why it doesn't work for my group" and "this is why it fails for my group." I'm certainly aware that the people for whom I've GMed PF2 include only 17 unique players. I'm aware that I'm only a single GM (albeit one with a lot of investment and experience in the hobby), but if I'm consistently getting the same results, logic says that there must be something wrong. I don't think it's wrong to speak about our experiences with the system - people can learn from those posts. Also, I don't think it's wrong for you to say "hey, we're having a great time with PF2," and I'm not going to argue with you about your opinion of the system. But you, specifically, keep coming at me with insulting takes on my experiences. And I can tell you that I have tried numerous times with various groups to run a great PF2 game. I can tell you also that I've been running games for 30 years, multiple campaigns simultaneously, professionally published in the 3.x/PF1 and 5e eras. I've put in hundreds of hours running demonstrations and test encounters on PF2 on Foundry. I've purchased a good deal of PF2 products (including 3PP content). I've tried to run three different Adventure Paths - none of which got past the second book. I know what my experiences are, thank you. They are valid. My experiences are likely shared by others too - not the entire world, granted. So I can say that "these are the things that concern me about PF2" and "these are the things that would've improved the experience for me." [/QUOTE]

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