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<blockquote data-quote="Jaeger" data-source="post: 8725818" data-attributes="member: 27996">In my opinion, the only thing going on here is that Pazio is finding their natural level in relation to 5e D&amp;D in a post 4e world.Pathfinder took the number one RPG spot from 4e, but once 5e came out Paizo began to hemorrhage market share back to WotC like a bleeding swimmer in a shark frenzy.By Pazio's own admission they never fixed the underlying math issues with 3.5. The Pathfinder rules were essentially an employees house rules laid on top of the OGL. Among other things I think, the roaring success of 5e has shown that 3.x D&amp;D had reached the end of its edition life cycle...So Pazio had to do something to generate excitement for its brand and try and reclaim some of the paying customers lost to 5e. (IMHO Pazio was just trying to stop the bleeding, and even they had no notions about ever being the number one fantasy RPG anymore.)I don't think PF2 was quite the success on launch that Paizo was hoping for. But it is clear that PF2 is now attracting 5e players willing to look for something more, and it is finding its feet on VTT platforms not roll20.So PF2 is finding its natural level. Will it ever be as big as the PF1 heyday? No way. But that would be an unrealistic expectation anyways.But I do believe that PF2 has retained and gained enough loyal customers to maintain its status as the perennial number 2 RPG for the time being.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jaeger, post: 8725818, member: 27996"] [I]In my opinion[/I], the only thing going on here is that Pazio is finding their natural level in relation to 5e D&D in a post 4e world. Pathfinder took the number one RPG spot from 4e, but once 5e came out Paizo began to hemorrhage market share back to WotC like a bleeding swimmer in a shark frenzy. By Pazio's own admission they never fixed the underlying math issues with 3.5. The Pathfinder rules were essentially an employees house rules laid on top of the OGL. Among other things I think, the roaring success of 5e has shown that 3.x D&D had reached the end of its edition life cycle... So Pazio had to do something to generate excitement for its brand and try and reclaim some of the paying customers lost to 5e. [I](IMHO Pazio was just trying to stop the bleeding, and even they had no notions about ever being the number one fantasy RPG anymore.)[/I] I don't think PF2 was quite the success [I]on[/I] [I]launch[/I] that Paizo was hoping for. But it is clear that PF2 is now attracting 5e players willing to look for something more, and it is finding its feet on VTT platforms not roll20. So PF2 is finding its natural level. Will it ever be as big as the PF1 heyday? No way. But that would be an unrealistic expectation anyways. But I do believe that PF2 has retained and gained enough loyal customers to maintain its status as the perennial number 2 RPG for the time being. [/QUOTE]

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