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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6906525" data-attributes="member: 82106">I think you're not getting what I am saying. Essentials is a re-baselining of the 4e power curve by WotC, pure and simple. They WANTED those classes, and probably to some extent all classes, to fall on a lower power curve. The point is, they weren't ignorant of the way their own game design works, they simply chose to make fighters that would never hit the most incredible numbers. They KNEW that if you were to pick EXACTLY the right items, maybe add in some 'classic' 4e stuff to achieve some power swaps, using alternative PPs, etc then you could scrape the bottom edge of the optimized power envelope of classic 4e, but if you played them in a pure Essentials environment with a more routine level of optimization, they'd just be adequate and roughly hit the numbers WotC probably originally envisaged for the whole game.As to the resulting question of how they would have been juxtaposed with the Mage (and to some extent the War Priest, though its a bit more limited) I think you only have to look at 5e, they just didn't care. It was fine with MM that wizard blow the doors off fighters, screw fighters!</blockquote>