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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7645764" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Nod. Simplicity, as a goal, has all sorts of complications. ;P</p><p></p><p>It could be a 'different level spell' for a different class, sure. But, it really was that level for all purposes. Spell save DCs, for instance, or making magic items using it. </p><p></p><p></p><p> Well, I respect your opinion based upon your play experiences, in that context.</p><p></p><p>In the context of what's between the covers of the book, OTOH, the numbers speak for themselves.</p><p></p><p>There is a strong argument for neo-Vancian Casters being Tier 1 and Bard (like other 'merely' spontaneous casters) 'only' Tier 2, certainly. I think the Bard edges up there, thanks to that versatility. </p><p></p><p>But that /is/ one where there's plenty of room to agree to disagree. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Depends on what your party needs from you, but sure. </p><p></p><p>It's a neo-Vancian caster, so plenty versatile, of course. Domains make it a little more versatile as a concept-building tool, not so much as spheres in 2e, but it's nothing to sneeze at.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7645764, member: 996"] Nod. Simplicity, as a goal, has all sorts of complications. ;P It could be a 'different level spell' for a different class, sure. But, it really was that level for all purposes. Spell save DCs, for instance, or making magic items using it. Well, I respect your opinion based upon your play experiences, in that context. In the context of what's between the covers of the book, OTOH, the numbers speak for themselves. There is a strong argument for neo-Vancian Casters being Tier 1 and Bard (like other 'merely' spontaneous casters) 'only' Tier 2, certainly. I think the Bard edges up there, thanks to that versatility. But that /is/ one where there's plenty of room to agree to disagree. ;) Depends on what your party needs from you, but sure. It's a neo-Vancian caster, so plenty versatile, of course. Domains make it a little more versatile as a concept-building tool, not so much as spheres in 2e, but it's nothing to sneeze at. [/QUOTE]
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