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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7788925" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Huh? So, see, it seems like this "message" you want us to accept is one nobody but you is really disputing, especially 5e rules snd guidelines. A creature with less than half the HD of damage that SG does and with no useful ranged ability or other threats than melee would be significantly lower CR and not able to significantly impact the scene and so would be ignored in the threat assessment of the scene by the normal CR rules for assessing multiple foes impact on CR.You seem to be arguing that 5e was claiming otherwise or that some people claimed differently, based off some half quote from who knows where. So, yeah, myself and others took your claim to task - especially as far as it bring " ptoof" of anything. Its certainly not true that somehow the ability of an encounter to be rolled thru is proof bonded accuracy is nullified and void. But, as for your thoughts on how we should all get the idea that this encounter or that encounter isnt fun, well, again I think that just tells us a lot about you or your gameplay or your preferences (or perhaps posting preferences at least.) But, most of the monsters in the MM cannot breath water. If I as gm have a lake or river in my scene and describe a set of foes running headlong into them and drowning, that doesn't prove "lakes" broke bounded accuracy.</blockquote>