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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grraf" data-source="post: 284048" data-attributes="member: 3791">I realize that people love to bag things for fun and that this wasn't started as much of a serious discussion as a chance to complain.Having said that:1. I use PcGen constantly in a weekly game. It saves hours.I don't think I could run a game every week without it.2. The interface doesn't always work perfectly, but its still a hell of a lot of faster than computing by hand all the skills and feats of a half-gynosphinx, rogue, assasin, loremaster. 3. Its run by a bunch of doggedly obessive fanboys (its really a complement). A month ago when I started using it there was a limited amount of Scarred Lands stuff (OK there was a lot of spells but not all of the supplimentary material). The interface was a bit tricky to figure out.Now its basically all in there. They're constantly improving the program. Even the jump between 262 and 273(271?) was huge. The new e-tools program (now that its been gutted by WotC and hasbro with no mapping, limited material, etc etc) will never have the functions the pcgen already has.4. You can pick which supplements you feel like using. make your own stuff, post questions and get responces same day. Its nicely customizable and totally free.IT'S NOT ILLEGAL (if you've been following the e-tools thing its pretty clear. They'll be doing the same thing. Fan created not for profit libraries are pretty clearly fair use)You need the books to use it anyway (trust me). So unlike e-tools it encourages purchasing of products. JAVA is goodI guess I understand the "insta-click" mentality. I have to admit that I run pcGen on a computer fomr a few years ago and it doesn't exactly zip around.  Using it is still about 5-10 times faster than doing things out by hand (and the chance of computational error or forgetting about that stat increase a character got because I bumped them up a level is nil).You may not like pcGen, but its a gaming revolution in action. Warts and all.</blockquote>

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