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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EricLeaf" data-source="post: 290644" data-attributes="member: 6437">Re: Let me step in here pleaseIf I follow your argument, you are saying that because you have not been sued for posting those names, therefore it is ok to use them. That is false.To be honest I have no problems with the movement and have greatly benefitted personally from open source in general and many of the larger products such as Linux and gcc, bread and butter.However, two key ideas are not divorced from a subject "merely" because you aren't getting cash for the work. That is value trade, *and* stealing. My own interpretation of our copyright laws don't imply bank account increase only to mean improper use of others IP, in other words violation.Also, with service or trade marks its even more dangerous for you. In addition, while you seem to be saying something different from another on the team, its not the owners job to notify *you* to not violate their copyright. And even having that view will be viewed harshly in court I wold wager. In other words, thats a foolish stand to make, unless you have legal permission your only option would be to cease and desist when you recieved such notice since, "oh they didn't tell me" won't take you very far.Lack of malice or foresight doesn't remove you from responsibility.I think you are mixing ideas in your head, OGL is pretty clear, and not portable with GPL or LGPL. D20 license would benefit you in terms of branding, but also places on you greater limits. Your standpoint is that you don't follow either license so you are not limited by them, but in reality by not following either license you are merely violating copyright. Wether devoted wotc writer's children are going unfed is a totally different question, but thats only a morality concern, legally it doesn't matter.Thats not entirely valid, the pcgen team *choose* to use Java. So regrettably they are connected. Until someone with sense ports it to C or C++. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />I can think of a few reasons, the main one being that the people that are Pro-pcgen, much like the classic Mac or Linux zealot, are abrasive to many people. Not so much because of the actual ideals, but because of the simple minded and polar values that they represent.I'm sure you can find better thought out and more exhaustive discussion on the whole free software realm, but just becuase its free does not mean its better for me and everyone else. Many people have a natural distrust of "free", which is sensible in my mind. Also, and this is a lesson I learned when I did run Linux which was years ago at this point (I'm old sk00l) its not free in the thing I value most in life, my time. I can buy a fullly loaded Dell with Xp and be up and running in the time it takes me to plug it in, it has a price tag, but that more than makes up for the time cost it would take to install Linux. And while I know its easier nowadays, it took me weeks with no reference to get it running on a notebook in 94'. I was a student then so my time was worthless for the most part so it was a fair trade. Now however, I wouldn't think of installing Linux unless maybe I was setting up a server machine.I'm sure you understand that, and eTools will be the same way. For the vast majority of people it will be the better choice. That should be obvious, and your statements make it seem like you understand that. Now, you have people that sell pcgen in a way to act like that doesn't exist, and that is what I am talking about here. That is annoying because its a polar view that doesn't look at all the issues involved, so of course will bother people. Bother them so much they reply on these or other boards to debunk that belief. And since it is an argument or battle, they have to respond with the same level of intensity to compete.In more general terms deToqueville wrote on this while describing America's two party system sometime last century. Its either very basic logic or "natural balance" if you stand on the far edge, someone will stand on the opposite edge to balance you out.It may have been overlooked initially. I know for a fact it wasn't just glossed over, and you came out with a different political agenda when it came out so to ease peoples concerns. I've since read posts by you on other forums that now leads me to believe that was only lip service.I believe this post to be largely devoid of slanderous attacks and name calling. I think that will make this post seem odd and out of place so am compelled to say pCgEN s0xx0rs, et00ls roxxors!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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