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<blockquote data-quote="DM_Blake" data-source="post: 4394401" data-attributes="member: 57267">My concern, not so much with your take as with the whole concept of 4e stealth in general, is that any character who is good at stealth will be able to automatically succeed against most of the common monsers' PASSIVE perception.&nbsp;What this means is that a room full of 100 kobolds, all of whome know there are adventurers attacking them (and they all have stadium seating and a clear line of sight to the adventurers) will never, ever have any chance to spot the rogue when he hides.&nbsp;There is no chance that even one kobold was paying attention, or just plain lucky, and saw the rogue hide. Not even one of them can roll that lucky natural 20 because none of them can roll.&nbsp;So the rogue hides, sneak attacks someone, and remains hidden to the other 99 (unless his sneak attack forces him to leave cover - assume he's throwing a dagger from cover).&nbsp;Now those 99 kobolds have to start giving up actions on their round to find the rogue. &nbsp;One little hide action by the rogue that is always guaranteed to succeed, round after round after round, even when, by round 10, the remaining 50 living kobolds have all seen him do this 9 times already - no matter, they cannot see him next time any more than they could the previous 9 times.&nbsp;Doesn't matter that their lives are at stake here. Doesn't matter that they've all seen him do this trick repeatedly. Doesn't matter that they all know, without doubt, that keeping an eye on that rogue is the difference between life and death. They still have no chance to see the rogue on the rogue's turn.&nbsp;Seems to me, always using passive perception is the wrong way to go.&nbsp;But it would take house ruling to allow the observers an atual roll.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DM_Blake, post: 4394401, member: 57267"] My concern, not so much with your take as with the whole concept of 4e stealth in general, is that any character who is good at stealth will be able to automatically succeed against most of the common monsers' PASSIVE perception. What this means is that a room full of 100 kobolds, all of whome know there are adventurers attacking them (and they all have stadium seating and a clear line of sight to the adventurers) will never, ever have any chance to spot the rogue when he hides. There is no chance that even one kobold was paying attention, or just plain lucky, and saw the rogue hide. Not even one of them can roll that lucky natural 20 because none of them can roll. So the rogue hides, sneak attacks someone, and remains hidden to the other 99 (unless his sneak attack forces him to leave cover - assume he's throwing a dagger from cover). Now those 99 kobolds have to start giving up actions on their round to find the rogue. One little hide action by the rogue that is always [U]guaranteed to succeed[/U], round after round after round, even when, by round 10, the remaining 50 living kobolds have all seen him do this 9 times already - no matter, they cannot see him next time any more than they could the previous 9 times. Doesn't matter that their lives are at stake here. Doesn't matter that they've all seen him do this trick repeatedly. Doesn't matter that they all know, without doubt, that keeping an eye on that rogue is the difference between life and death. They still have no chance to see the rogue on the rogue's turn. Seems to me, always using passive perception is the wrong way to go. But it would take house ruling to allow the observers an atual roll. [/QUOTE]

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