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Message: <blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4500331" data-attributes="member: 59219">There are some operational definitions issues - - when I saw your title I thought one thing, then your text made me think another. My 'campaign' as I define it has been running for right around 15 years, and before that the previous one lasted about as long. The previous campaign was all 1st edition, this one has covered 1st and 3rd. However, I'm defining campaign as 'a series of adventures in the same fantasy world, with a continuity of stories and links (whether strong or flimsy) between each adventuring group/character)' .... We've run CHARACTERS in this world for a couple of years, then run other characters in the same world for a few years, then gone back to old characters, etc.  Some characters in the current group are descended from characters or NPCs known to the original group. One religious sect is named for the cleric character in the first group....some adventurers are citizens of an empire that was once ruled by a player character. The current date in-game is 700 years or so after the first adventure run in this world. The campaign is 'low power', and so generally speaking by about 8th level in the pre-3.x rule set they were ready to retire, lead a land, etc. The highest character level that has been reached is 12th under 3.x rules. And that really risked 'breaking' my world in terms of power level. So in terms of your definition/question, I can't say that I have used all that much of the full breadth of the material. I have the 3rd Epic Level handbook, and have never touched it (even for NPCs). COULD WOTC have put out 4e with just the heroic tier? For my group? sure, but I think that I'm in the minority. I havent' seen many epic levels in other groups, but I know many routinely hit 15+ under the 3.x rules. My campaign for a number of reasons is incompatible completely with 4e - one minor reason related to this thread is that 1st level 4E characters start out so tough, and are fairly quickly doing wild and wonderful things. If you consider that in my world an 8th level FIRST edition character is fairly high on the power curve, you can see that 4e doesn't give me much wiggle room. I can't start out as Farm Boy and rise slowly to take my kingdom...in 4E I start out pretty tough, and go up quickly from there. So even if 4e just had the first tier, it would be out of whack with my world almost instantly. this is NOT a knock of 4e, but a statement of compatibility with my campaign/style. 4e might well be great - - - Shadowrun is a great game, and a hoot to play, but I couldn't really run the stories I want to tell in my D&D world with that rules system.</blockquote>

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