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How many 18th level fighters could an 18th level fighter take out
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<blockquote data-quote="radferth" data-source="post: 2402503" data-attributes="member: 5791"><p><strong>But seriously folks</strong></p><p></p><p>If, for some odd reason, someone actually cared about the answer to this question, one would have to specify the terms of the engagement. First off, it makes little sense to compare at 18th level, as the two systems rapidly diverge at 10th level or so. So given that, lets look at a 10th level 1st edition fighter converted as numerically closely as possible to 3rd ed statistics. At first glance, it seems easiest to assume the 1st ed fighter is a warior npc class with d10 for hit points. He is going to get another hd, as well slight boost for con if he has a medium con (as 1st ed fighter con bonus is +1 per con point over 14, as opposed to +1 per 2 con points over 10.) If you translate the other 1st edition fighter abilities to SRD 3rd ed feats, you get weapon focus, weapon specialization, and maybe something like two weapon fighting or some exotic weapon proficiency. The number of feats a warrior gets seem to translate pretty nicely. In other words, the 1st ed fighter translates fairly well into a 3rd ed warrior of equal level with d10 hd. This would give him a challenge rating of level-1 (which most folks think is a crock, but there it is). If we follow the 1st ed. fighter to 3rd ed warrior conversion at all levels, a 1st ed fighter has a CR of level-1, or 17 at 18th level. This means a single 18th level 3rd ed figher could beat one most of the time, but would be a mild underdog against 2.</p><p></p><p>Now if we look at how 1st ed and 3rd ed fighters perform against the great foes of their respective worlds, we see that a 10th level fighter can go up against foes (such as a balor or really big red dragon) that would seem appropriate for a 18th to 20th level 3rd ed fighter. So if one wanted to make a culturally relevent translation, I would say one could double the level of the 1st ed character and have the appropriate level for their 3rd ed translation. This would be easy with fighters, with wizards one would have to make half these levels some prestige class that didn't increase # of spells, but gave some huge bonus to evocation spell damage. Now what does this mean to those still reading this thread, absolutely nothing, I'd guess. Now lets get to topics of true worth, such as how many Conan the Destroyer movie Conans could Howard's original pulp Conan (circa Corsairs of the Black Coast) take out.</p><p></p><p>Edit: If one wants to tackle this in terms of Mythusmage's post, assume all Conans are gay, and Howard's Conan has no money, but excellent prospects as a bandit, pirate, or mercenary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="radferth, post: 2402503, member: 5791"] [b]But seriously folks[/b] If, for some odd reason, someone actually cared about the answer to this question, one would have to specify the terms of the engagement. First off, it makes little sense to compare at 18th level, as the two systems rapidly diverge at 10th level or so. So given that, lets look at a 10th level 1st edition fighter converted as numerically closely as possible to 3rd ed statistics. At first glance, it seems easiest to assume the 1st ed fighter is a warior npc class with d10 for hit points. He is going to get another hd, as well slight boost for con if he has a medium con (as 1st ed fighter con bonus is +1 per con point over 14, as opposed to +1 per 2 con points over 10.) If you translate the other 1st edition fighter abilities to SRD 3rd ed feats, you get weapon focus, weapon specialization, and maybe something like two weapon fighting or some exotic weapon proficiency. The number of feats a warrior gets seem to translate pretty nicely. In other words, the 1st ed fighter translates fairly well into a 3rd ed warrior of equal level with d10 hd. This would give him a challenge rating of level-1 (which most folks think is a crock, but there it is). If we follow the 1st ed. fighter to 3rd ed warrior conversion at all levels, a 1st ed fighter has a CR of level-1, or 17 at 18th level. This means a single 18th level 3rd ed figher could beat one most of the time, but would be a mild underdog against 2. Now if we look at how 1st ed and 3rd ed fighters perform against the great foes of their respective worlds, we see that a 10th level fighter can go up against foes (such as a balor or really big red dragon) that would seem appropriate for a 18th to 20th level 3rd ed fighter. So if one wanted to make a culturally relevent translation, I would say one could double the level of the 1st ed character and have the appropriate level for their 3rd ed translation. This would be easy with fighters, with wizards one would have to make half these levels some prestige class that didn't increase # of spells, but gave some huge bonus to evocation spell damage. Now what does this mean to those still reading this thread, absolutely nothing, I'd guess. Now lets get to topics of true worth, such as how many Conan the Destroyer movie Conans could Howard's original pulp Conan (circa Corsairs of the Black Coast) take out. Edit: If one wants to tackle this in terms of Mythusmage's post, assume all Conans are gay, and Howard's Conan has no money, but excellent prospects as a bandit, pirate, or mercenary. [/QUOTE]
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