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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 4157581" data-attributes="member: 32164">Sounds like a spurious complaint to me. Mostly, I think some people are ticked because they won't be able to make the killer cleric archer or the archer fighter who's a bow expert but never goes outdoors.Traditionally, expertise in archery involved training in the various skills connected to it, like woodcraft, stealth, perception, and the like. The bow, as a weapon of war, was mostly utilized by people who were trained in its use as a weapon of survival. Alternatively, bows and crossbows were used as backup weapons by soldiers.Basic attacks handle the latter just fine. If you want your character to be an archery expert, that requires training with an expert archer, and probably acquiring some of the skills that go along with it...like stealth and other &quot;ranger-y&quot; things. In other words, any character who wants to be an expert archer should probably have the equivalent of ranger training anyway.But I imagine that most fighters (and other characters) will carry hurled weapons, or a sling, crossbow, or other ranged weapons for when they need to attack at range.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 4157581, member: 32164"] Sounds like a spurious complaint to me. Mostly, I think some people are ticked because they won't be able to make the killer cleric archer or the archer fighter who's a bow expert but never goes outdoors. Traditionally, expertise in archery involved training in the various skills connected to it, like woodcraft, stealth, perception, and the like. The bow, as a weapon of war, was mostly utilized by people who were trained in its use as a weapon of survival. Alternatively, bows and crossbows were used as backup weapons by soldiers. Basic attacks handle the latter just fine. If you want your character to be an archery expert, that requires training with an expert archer, and probably acquiring some of the skills that go along with it...like stealth and other "ranger-y" things. In other words, any character who wants to be an expert archer should probably have the equivalent of ranger training anyway. But I imagine that most fighters (and other characters) will carry hurled weapons, or a sling, crossbow, or other ranged weapons [i]for when they need to attack at range[/i]. [/QUOTE]

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