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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8799508" data-attributes="member: 63508">But that's kinda my point.UA back then was about experimental new rules. So if they did UA for other classes, they would be forced to explore the sorcerer's theme (in comparison and contrast of the wizard and warlock). Sorcerer wasn't a priority in 3e. Soit wasn't really a shock it was pushed to PHB2 in 4e. And the 5e Sorcerer's 2014 publication state shows that either none of the top designers really loved the sorcerer, internally they used houserules they culdn't print, or they figured no one cared enough to call it out because &quot;metamagic!&quot;.And&nbsp; keep saying there is lore and setting differences between a patron candidate and a origin ancestor. There is a reason why there isn't a Dragon Patron.There is a reason why there isn't an Archfey Origin.The sorcerer doesn't struggle to find a niche. The problem is both designers and fans ignore core sorcerer fluff. The little true lore it has.There was noticeable wizard snobbery and sorcerer hate with the fluff blurbs and amongst designers in 3e. And a lot of the 3,e content made specifically for sorcerer was late in the edition when WOTC typically is forced to create content to print books. There is even speculation that some designers didn't care for the class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 8799508, member: 63508"] But that's kinda my point. UA back then was about experimental new rules. So if they did UA for other classes, they would be forced to explore the sorcerer's theme (in comparison and contrast of the wizard and warlock). Sorcerer wasn't a priority in 3e. Soit wasn't really a shock it was pushed to PHB2 in 4e. And the 5e Sorcerer's 2014 publication state shows that either none of the top designers really loved the sorcerer, internally they used houserules they culdn't print, or they figured no one cared enough to call it out because "metamagic!". And keep saying there is lore and setting differences between a patron candidate and a origin ancestor. There is a reason why there isn't a Dragon Patron. There is a reason why there isn't an Archfey Origin. The sorcerer doesn't struggle to find a niche. The problem is both designers and fans ignore core sorcerer fluff. The little true lore it has. There was noticeable wizard snobbery and sorcerer hate with the fluff blurbs and amongst designers in 3e. And a lot of the 3,e content made specifically for sorcerer was late in the edition when WOTC typically is forced to create content to print books. There is even speculation that some designers didn't care for the class. [/QUOTE]

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