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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rogueattorney" data-source="post: 2232926" data-attributes="member: 17551">I disagree.  I think the only valid argument as to why C&C and HM aren't editions of D&D are the fact that they don't have 'Dungeons & Dragons' on their front cover.  While those game you mentioned, and the games that borrowed heavily from earlier editions of D&D - Gamma World, Runequest, Palladium, etc. - were trying to be new games, C&C and HM are trying to emulate certain facets of the OOP editions of D&D.  They are both trying to be 'the game you grew up playing.'Now, if "D&D is whatever the the owners of the D&D IP tell me it is" is a satisfactory answer to the question, "What is D&D?", then HM and C&C are not editions of D&D.  However, in terms of form, function, and intent, HM and C&C are just as much descendants of D&D as 3e is.  Perhaps even more so, since both attempt to evoke the past rather than distance themselves from it as 3e does.R.A.</blockquote>