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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 536913" data-attributes="member: 198">Not to beat a grappling dragon <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, but I think the section you're referring to is simply reiterating the extant rule that light weapons can be used when fighting in a grapple. Since a dragon's natural weapons count as light for its own purposes, it can use all of them when trying to cause damage in a grapple. Lord Thurham's original question was about escaping from a grapple, and the only reference to that on pg.62 is that a dragon can "respond only with grapple checks to try winning free" when snatched or crushed by a larger dragon.The way I see it so far is that if a mature adult red (Lord Thurham's example) is grappled, and wants to cause damage to the attacker, it can use all its natural attacks in a full attack. But if it wants to escape by making opposed grapple checks, then it gets only 4.Anyway, as long as this doesn't come up in one of my games, no matter.</blockquote>