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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonman" data-source="post: 6290096" data-attributes="member: 6775975">I played the original Temple of Elemental Evil way back. My character captured and charmed a cultist and I wanted to use that to our advantage (instead of an endless mindless dungeon hack n slash) but I was frustrated by what I would've tried to do in that situation vs second-guessing what D&amp;Disms would allow me to do. So in a sly way of breaking the fourth wall, my PC asked the charmed cultist where did they sleep? (IIRC, there weren't any beds or barracks for his company of cultists.) The DM was stumped, didn't expect that, and blurted &quot;Oh, we go back to Hommlet.&quot; I asked if truly every night, there's a mass exodus of cultists leaving the temple at night and commuting back in the morning from the village. The NPC confirmed this, as the DM was stuck to this story detail he had inadvertently committed himself to. So my PC wanted to ambush the commuting cultists (fighting on our terms, rather than keep walking into their dungeon traps) but the DM was pissed, and the players knew that this wasn't &quot;supposed&quot; to be part of the adventure, and I knew that, so after making my point (out of temporary frustration) about the ridiculousness of it all, I gave up questioning the adventure setup and reverted back to roleplaying non-self-aware hack-n-slash mode.I think that if I applied the same character pseudo-self-awareness to hit points, the DM and other players would see me as a party-pooper, and probably rightly so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dungeonman, post: 6290096, member: 6775975"] I played the original Temple of Elemental Evil way back. My character captured and charmed a cultist and I wanted to use that to our advantage (instead of an endless mindless dungeon hack n slash) but I was frustrated by what I would've tried to do in that situation vs second-guessing what D&Disms would allow me to do. So in a sly way of breaking the fourth wall, my PC asked the charmed cultist where did they sleep? (IIRC, there weren't any beds or barracks for his company of cultists.) The DM was stumped, didn't expect that, and blurted "Oh, we go back to Hommlet." I asked if truly every night, there's a mass exodus of cultists leaving the temple at night and commuting back in the morning from the village. The NPC confirmed this, as the DM was stuck to this story detail he had inadvertently committed himself to. So my PC wanted to ambush the commuting cultists (fighting on our terms, rather than keep walking into their dungeon traps) but the DM was pissed, and the players knew that this wasn't "supposed" to be part of the adventure, and I knew that, so after making my point (out of temporary frustration) about the ridiculousness of it all, I gave up questioning the adventure setup and reverted back to roleplaying non-self-aware hack-n-slash mode. I think that if I applied the same character pseudo-self-awareness to hit points, the DM and other players would see me as a party-pooper, and probably rightly so. [/QUOTE]

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