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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4779571" data-attributes="member: 704">Not a bad question, but poorly worded.&nbsp; Minions for example are dropped in 1 hit, but if they have some high Def scores, they can stick around a while.&nbsp; Soldiers should be roughly as durable as Brutes, both should be better then Lukrers and Skirmishers.&nbsp; Also, eating some shots from a Rogues sneak attack is different then getting nailed by a Wizards magic missile. or AoE attacks.&nbsp; I would use the Defender and Leader classes as a base line.A better question:How many attack rolls from a Defender / Leader should it take to drop a level appropriate monster of a given role?For a game that you want to have go fast, I suggest the following:Soldier / Brute:&nbsp; 5 attack rolls or 3 hitsLurker / Skirmisher / Controller:&nbsp; 3 Attack rolls / 2 hitsElite Brute/Soldier:&nbsp; 10 attack rolls / 5 hitsElite Lurkers / Skirmisher / Controller:&nbsp; 8 attack rolls / 4 hitsSolo Soldier / Brute: 20 Attack Rolls / 11 hitsSolo Lurker / Skirmisher / Controller: 16 Attack Rolls /&nbsp; 9 hitsAssuming a party of 4 PC's, that gives you solos that last about 4 or 5 rounds, Elites that can stand up for about 3 rounds of focused punishment.&nbsp; Your Solders and Brutes can square off against 1 PC each and stick around for a few rounds, but get dropped if they are dog piled.&nbsp; Your skirmishers can take a few shots, but need to avoid a toe to toe fight.In general, if you want to avoid a grindy fight, you just need to make sure the following happen:&nbsp;- Use monsters with AC / Def scores low enough to let most encounter and daily powers hit.&nbsp;- Use enough monsters that each player gets a chance to use the at wills a few times, and two Encounter / Daily powers.&nbsp;- Make sure the monsters get a chance to do their special crap.I have not really encountered any combats that felt like what I would call a grind myself, though I have been staying very close to the reccomended XP value of a given fight, and I have only played up to level 5 in 4th edition at the moment (I have a somewhat unreliable gaming group that gets hit with long periods of non gaming).END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Zardoz, post: 4779571, member: 704"] Not a bad question, but poorly worded. Minions for example are dropped in 1 hit, but if they have some high Def scores, they can stick around a while. Soldiers should be roughly as durable as Brutes, both should be better then Lukrers and Skirmishers. Also, eating some shots from a Rogues sneak attack is different then getting nailed by a Wizards magic missile. or AoE attacks. I would use the Defender and Leader classes as a base line. A better question: How many attack rolls from a Defender / Leader should it take to drop a level appropriate monster of a given role? For a game that you want to have go fast, I suggest the following: Soldier / Brute: 5 attack rolls or 3 hits Lurker / Skirmisher / Controller: 3 Attack rolls / 2 hits Elite Brute/Soldier: 10 attack rolls / 5 hits Elite Lurkers / Skirmisher / Controller: 8 attack rolls / 4 hits Solo Soldier / Brute: 20 Attack Rolls / 11 hits Solo Lurker / Skirmisher / Controller: 16 Attack Rolls / 9 hits Assuming a party of 4 PC's, that gives you solos that last about 4 or 5 rounds, Elites that can stand up for about 3 rounds of focused punishment. Your Solders and Brutes can square off against 1 PC each and stick around for a few rounds, but get dropped if they are dog piled. Your skirmishers can take a few shots, but need to avoid a toe to toe fight. In general, if you want to avoid a grindy fight, you just need to make sure the following happen: - Use monsters with AC / Def scores low enough to let most encounter and daily powers hit. - Use enough monsters that each player gets a chance to use the at wills a few times, and two Encounter / Daily powers. - Make sure the monsters get a chance to do their special crap. I have not really encountered any combats that felt like what I would call a grind myself, though I have been staying very close to the reccomended XP value of a given fight, and I have only played up to level 5 in 4th edition at the moment (I have a somewhat unreliable gaming group that gets hit with long periods of non gaming). END COMMUNICATION [/QUOTE]

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