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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6084076" data-attributes="member: 22424">I think that's actually coming at the problem from the wrong direction, especially if the goal is for basic characters to co-exist alongside advanced ones at the same table.As far as I can see, the way to do it is to build the most advanced version first - divide up the powers, skills, whatever into their atomic form, and then allow players to construct their character by selecting from these elements. (Whether such a construct even requires classes is debatable.)Having done that, it becomes relatively straightforward to construct the 'standard' version of the classes, races, backgrounds, etc - each of these is just a package of pre-bought powers, skills, feats, etc. All they need to decide is how much should be fixed, and how much should remain flexible. (It's also probably a good idea if the packages also give a slight 'price-break', to reflect the fact that they're non-optimised packages. Otherwise, the optimisers will inevitably go for 'advanced' characters, and leave their 'standard' compatriots behind.)And then, finally, you build the 'basic' versions in the same way, but moreso - basically, you roll everything into a handful of large packages. (So that a 'basic' character may just be three choices, race/class/background, or could even just be one.)That being the case, I would argue that the 'advanced' characters should get no bonus skills (for example). The 'standard' characters should only receive bonus skills if there are skills that are essential to their makeup. And the 'basic' characters should get bonus skills as such - rather, they should just get a fix set of 'skills' rolled right into their class/race/background.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="delericho, post: 6084076, member: 22424"] I think that's actually coming at the problem from the wrong direction, especially if the goal is for basic characters to co-exist alongside advanced ones at the same table. As far as I can see, the way to do it is to build the most advanced version [i]first[/i] - divide up the powers, skills, whatever into their atomic form, and then allow players to construct their character by selecting from these elements. (Whether such a construct even requires [i]classes[/i] is debatable.) Having done that, it becomes relatively straightforward to construct the 'standard' version of the classes, races, backgrounds, etc - each of these is just a package of pre-bought powers, skills, feats, etc. All they need to decide is how much should be fixed, and how much should remain flexible. (It's also probably a good idea if the packages also give a slight 'price-break', to reflect the fact that they're non-optimised packages. Otherwise, the optimisers will inevitably go for 'advanced' characters, and leave their 'standard' compatriots behind.) And then, finally, you build the 'basic' versions in the same way, but moreso - basically, you roll [i]everything[/i] into a handful of large packages. (So that a 'basic' character may just be three choices, race/class/background, or could even just be [i]one[/i].) That being the case, I would argue that the 'advanced' characters should get no bonus skills (for example). The 'standard' characters should only receive bonus skills if there are skills that are [i]essential[/i] to their makeup. And the 'basic' characters should get bonus skills as such - rather, they should just get a fix set of 'skills' rolled right into their class/race/background. [/QUOTE]

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