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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Haltherrion" data-source="post: 5131052" data-attributes="member: 18253">I like 20 as the end goal. Since it is nice to have a system that works beyond your goal, the 4E cap at 30 works well for me. In our group, we often start around level 6-10 and play to level 18-20 for a campaign. It's nice for the system to have legs beyond 20 if we play a little beyond the climax or the campaign arc lasts longer than planned. Have to say I found the 3.x epic system not very usable. That said, I like the fact that lower levels are more interesting in 4E than they used to be. Our new campaign is starting at level 1 and I expect we will probably tune our campaigns to end in the mid-10s for a while. But it's nice to have a system that covers both.</blockquote>