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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 9607777" data-attributes="member: 9254">This really is a world/setting design choice.&nbsp; Even within the flavor of a setting, the power-level can be shifted.E.g. Eberron has multiple gateways where evil can emerge at any time.&nbsp; The biggest army that has ever emerged and been defeated was:Low level settingA couple thousand&nbsp; cr0 lemures, a few hundred cr1 imps/quasits, a couple dozen cr2 spiked devils and a cr5 cambion generalMid level settingthousands of cr3 bearded devils, hundreds of cr5 cambions, dozens of cr8 chain devils and a cr11 horned devil generalHigh-level settingThousands of cr5 cambion infantry, hundreds of cr8 chain devil junior officers , dozens of cr11 horned devil lieutenants, a few cr12 erineys captains and a cr13 raksahsa generalVery high level settingThousands of cr5 cambion cavalry plus thousands of cr8 chain devil infantry ,hundreds of cr11 horned devil lieutenants, dozens of cr12 erineys captains,&nbsp; dozens of cr13 raksahsa spies , dozens of cr14 ice devils commanders,&nbsp; a cr20 pit fiend generalEach of these meet the general flavor of the setting (dangerous fiendish army) but it sets the tone for how powerful the setting needs to be to continue to exist.&nbsp; It can also be a plot driver. As in &quot;we faced a pit fiend's army ten years ago and we won....but all but a few of our most powerful heroes were killed.&nbsp; We have no chance against another army even half as powerful.&quot;Alternately: &quot;the Pitfiend was routed handily...and now the self-proclaimed 'Gods Among Men' demand fealty and obedience. &quot;Or &quot;Our forces defeat the evil armies every time. But this time they've sent a few dozen shapeshifters and corrupters to defeat us from within, slowly.&nbsp; And none of the current heroes believe it.&quot;Which gets to the answer to the OP: there is no &quot;typical&quot; setting.&nbsp; It can all work. Just try to make it believable and rational.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 9607777, member: 9254"] This really is a world/setting design choice. Even within the flavor of a setting, the power-level can be shifted. E.g. Eberron has multiple gateways where evil can emerge at any time. The biggest army that has ever emerged and been defeated was: Low level setting A couple thousand cr0 lemures, a few hundred cr1 imps/quasits, a couple dozen cr2 spiked devils and a cr5 cambion general Mid level setting thousands of cr3 bearded devils, hundreds of cr5 cambions, dozens of cr8 chain devils and a cr11 horned devil general High-level setting Thousands of cr5 cambion infantry, hundreds of cr8 chain devil junior officers , dozens of cr11 horned devil lieutenants, a few cr12 erineys captains and a cr13 raksahsa general Very high level setting Thousands of cr5 cambion cavalry plus thousands of cr8 chain devil infantry ,hundreds of cr11 horned devil lieutenants, dozens of cr12 erineys captains, dozens of cr13 raksahsa spies , dozens of cr14 ice devils commanders, a cr20 pit fiend general Each of these meet the general flavor of the setting (dangerous fiendish army) but it sets the tone for how powerful the setting needs to be to continue to exist. It can also be a plot driver. As in "we faced a pit fiend's army ten years ago and we won....but all but a few of our most powerful heroes were killed. We have no chance against another army even half as powerful." Alternately: "the Pitfiend was routed handily...and now the self-proclaimed 'Gods Among Men' demand fealty and obedience. " Or "Our forces defeat the evil armies every time. But this time they've sent a few dozen shapeshifters and corrupters to defeat us from within, slowly. And none of the current heroes believe it." Which gets to the answer to the OP: there is no "typical" setting. It can all work. Just try to make it believable and rational. [/QUOTE]

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