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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Haltherrion" data-source="post: 2808015" data-attributes="member: 18253">El-remmen is right, 3E doesn't work that way any more but in the old days, it just wasn't right if the mage didn't at least singe his party with his first fireball. It was required by tradition  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  I recall a few PCs dying as a result.I got myself and 3 other PCs killed by a rash act. We had a collar of demon control (put one loop around the demon's neck, one around your own, and chain connected the pair). We knew of a pit fiend polymorphed as human. Plan was for me to sneak up on him, pop the collar on his neck (it was already on mine) and then control him.He noticed me sneaking up somehow and poly'd back to normal form. He was kind of tall now and I could only reach his knee well so I clipped on there. I spent the rest of the battle being flung around by my neck (which was chained to his knee now) while he killed 3 other party members. IIRC I eventually burned to death in his walls of fires or fireballs. Two PCs smart enough to run survived. Oops. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></blockquote>