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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9412774" data-attributes="member: 7006">Yep.&nbsp; Because it means you can't do jack-shite during all the parts of the game that aren't combat.&nbsp; The normal first level of Exhaustion is disadvantage on ability checks.&nbsp; And of the three pillars of the game, how many of them RELY on nothing but ability checks to do anything?&nbsp; TWO of them-- Exploration and Social Interaction.&nbsp; So 66% of the game your character is pretty much F-ed at Level 1 of the Exhaustion table.&nbsp; That SUCKS.And this is why everyone HATED the Berserker Barbarian Frenzy ability that caused a level of Exhaustion when it ended... because people very quickly realized that their Barbarian character might as well just stick a thumb up their butt for the rest of the game until another combat started because they couldn't do anything.&nbsp; The other two pillars were pointless for them all because they used one of their signature abilities.Now sure... if your personal game is just combat after combat after combat... disadvantage on non-combat ability checks would not be much of a problem.&nbsp; But in my opinion that is the rare table that doesn't play D&amp;D with a large swathe of exploration and social interaction.&nbsp; So for my money... if you gain Exhaustion due to getting your butt handed to you in combat... then it is your combat abilities that should first take the hit.&nbsp; You takes penalties to that which caused the penalties in the first place.Seeing as how three of the Exhaustion levels are combat related-- half speed, half hit points, disadvantage on attacks and saves-- and only one is non-combat related-- disadvantage on ability checks-- the more onerous one to me is the one that can get destroyed with only single level of Exhaustion, AND which covers more of the pillars of the game.At least that's my feeling on the matter.&nbsp; If someone disagrees... that's fine.&nbsp; They can use the original Exhaustion chart if they want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9412774, member: 7006"] Yep. Because it means you can't do jack-shite during all the parts of the game that aren't combat. The normal first level of Exhaustion is disadvantage on ability checks. And of the three pillars of the game, how many of them RELY on nothing but ability checks to do anything? TWO of them-- Exploration and Social Interaction. So 66% of the game your character is pretty much F-ed at Level 1 of the Exhaustion table. That SUCKS. And this is why everyone HATED the Berserker Barbarian [I]Frenzy[/I] ability that caused a level of Exhaustion when it ended... because people very quickly realized that their Barbarian character might as well just stick a thumb up their butt for the rest of the game until another combat started because they couldn't do anything. The other two pillars were pointless for them all because they used one of their signature abilities. Now sure... if your personal game is just combat after combat after combat... disadvantage on non-combat ability checks would not be much of a problem. But in my opinion that is the rare table that doesn't play D&D with a large swathe of exploration and social interaction. So for my money... if you gain Exhaustion due to getting your butt handed to you in combat... then it is your combat abilities that should first take the hit. You takes penalties to that which [I]caused[/I] the penalties in the first place. Seeing as how three of the Exhaustion levels are combat related-- half speed, half hit points, disadvantage on attacks and saves-- and only one is non-combat related-- disadvantage on ability checks-- the more onerous one to me is the one that can get destroyed with only single level of Exhaustion, AND which covers more of the pillars of the game. At least that's my feeling on the matter. If someone disagrees... that's fine. They can use the original Exhaustion chart if they want. [/QUOTE]

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