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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Murkmoldiev" data-source="post: 6359359" data-attributes="member: 6777915">My Old basic games only made it to about 5th before a Dragon would wipe them out.2nd ed - We played for about 15 hours a week for 2 1/2 years and they got to 14th and then I wrapped the campaign up with them killing a weakened Moander and sharing 1/3 of his power each.My other 2nd ed games never went higher than 6th or so. It just seemed to take about 5 adventures to go up a level ! Pathfinder however- Most  Characters made it to around 15th... But there wasa 23rd level Barbarian, 25th level Fighter/ feykiller/ gifter maker ,  27th level ranger / rogue,     23rd level Dragonstalker/ Paladin 18th level Ninja   and 22nd level Gold dragon Bloodline Archmage and a 22nd level shaper Psion.I get a headache just thinking about the xmas trees of piddling bonuses ! When your fighting 10th level Firegiant priests, flying on the back of Advanced Dire Wyverns, and the combats are taking 5 + hours, something has to give.Even Dragonlance diddnt get that kooky. I have a hard time suspending disbelief with all this stuff ( any 3.5 or pathfinder adventure over 15th level )  happening.My pre 5th ed game was heading that way too ... they were 6th level and I was starting to get actual Headaches and every time someone said " do I get an AoO ? " I saw little flashes before my eyes...I started to go so Mental that I starting putting in draconian rules ! EG : A player is not to say even vaguely resembling the following- Shouldn’t the DC be _____ instead (of what the DM said) ."" Im sure that spell dosent work like that "“Wouldn’t _______ happen instead of ( WHAT DM JUST SAID HAPPENED )" Does the monster / trap / item / plot get a penalty/ bonus to hit /damage / save / now ? "PM me for a full copy of the massive lockdown rules document - It will give you an idea on how out of control things got.</blockquote>

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