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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hejdun" data-source="post: 297606" data-attributes="member: 839">With Great Cleave and Combat Reflexes, you're grappling orcs are dead meat.  Not to mention that the fighter is extraordinarily better at grappling than the orcs.Think of it this way: 8 orcs can get around him (less if the fighter has his back to something), and thus take shots at him.  Seven of these use the Aid Another to give the 8th a +14 to hit.  The orc now has roughly +17 to hit, meaning he'll hit most of the time.Basically, what it comes down to is the fighter can expect to be hit about once a round, for 1d12+3 damage.  Figure out how long it would take to slice through the fighter's hit points, and there ya go.  It should be around 6-7 rounds for a lucky 6th level fighter, as the orcs won't hit every round.That's not too bad, I could see a great fighter (say, Boromir) being swarmed and still hold on for a minute before being overwhelmed.But then, it's not out of the question for said fighter to kill all 8 orcs surrounding him in a round.  I could see Boromir chunking 40 orcs in a minute <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>