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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tyros" data-source="post: 307344" data-attributes="member: 3169">The whole "movement in a 5 foot square" abstraction is really hampered by the concept of area-effect spells. If you have someone standing at the end of a 5' corridor, that is the standard 8' ceiling, how are they supposed to somehow make a reflex save against a fireball with a 20' diameter? Nobody that I know (myself included) pictures a fireball as anything but a 20' diameter globe filled with fire. You can't really say they suddenly move 25 feet when they dodge and move their character on the map. That's pretty much a rules violation. If you say there's no reasonable way to make the save, suddenly the fireball spell is too powerful.Cooking a party with fireballs when they're in a bare 10x10 room is realistic, how are they supposed to be able to make the reflex saves (i.e. get out of the way of the blast?). Now, I can see how you could drop to the ground in time to take half damage, but with evasion, how can you logically justify the character taking no damage without exiting the affected squares? I know it just works for sake of game mechanics, but this is where I see real merit in the parties that say "no reflex save if you're grappled". If you're pinned, how could you claim to still be able to make the reflex save? You're immobilized; similar to the dragon's mouth example.Just looking for some reasonable explanations.</blockquote>