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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5697649" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Oh, it wouldn't be technically hard to make up any old number you want, but why 62k? It is just not THAT exciting a number. Why, if you are going to do it at all, not make it 150k or 250k? Would any of us be the slightest bit the wiser? Of course not.</p><p></p><p>As for the number, its size actually is fairly important in terms of gauging success overall with 4e. This is because cashflow adds up rather fast. 62k x$7/mo is what, around $450k, which is a pretty darn big bunch of change. Doubtless a decent part of that is taken up by the cost of the service, but it is a LOT of cash for a game company, around $5m a year. Now, suppose the REAL number of subscribers was more like 100k, now you're starting to talk about a service that is starting to reach a scale where it can bring in M:tG kind of money. Sure, nobody knows what Paizo is doing either, but you'd be hard pressed to find a $450k (or $700k!!!) chunk of cashflow lying around in their operations.</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I actually find it hard to believe that the number is a LOT bigger than 62k simply because if it was they'd have poured a HECK of a lot more resources into DDI than they obviously have (or else the whole rest of the game is really utterly dead in the market, which ic2 and Amazon numbers at the very least belie). Still, as a sanity check typically payroll is something like 40% of gross in these kinds of operations (take it from me, been there). So, you're talking a good $150k a month payroll. Even if WotC pays their IT people a LOT that's still 10-15 people on staff. So even at the low number it would seem like DDI can pay for itself and more reasonably. Again, that does kind of point to the real number not being a lot larger, there's just no way they've got 40 people working on DDI at high salary. Even with DR's cut and acquisition, etc...</p><p></p><p>So, 62k really does pass a pretty good smell test. It also seems like a pretty good number from other directions. I mean even if 4e is not THAT popular there are still bound to be 100's of 1000s of people that have played it and play it with some regularity. If 1 in 5 (basically all the DMs) are getting DDI, then you're in a reasonable territory there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5697649, member: 82106"] Oh, it wouldn't be technically hard to make up any old number you want, but why 62k? It is just not THAT exciting a number. Why, if you are going to do it at all, not make it 150k or 250k? Would any of us be the slightest bit the wiser? Of course not. As for the number, its size actually is fairly important in terms of gauging success overall with 4e. This is because cashflow adds up rather fast. 62k x$7/mo is what, around $450k, which is a pretty darn big bunch of change. Doubtless a decent part of that is taken up by the cost of the service, but it is a LOT of cash for a game company, around $5m a year. Now, suppose the REAL number of subscribers was more like 100k, now you're starting to talk about a service that is starting to reach a scale where it can bring in M:tG kind of money. Sure, nobody knows what Paizo is doing either, but you'd be hard pressed to find a $450k (or $700k!!!) chunk of cashflow lying around in their operations. Honestly, I actually find it hard to believe that the number is a LOT bigger than 62k simply because if it was they'd have poured a HECK of a lot more resources into DDI than they obviously have (or else the whole rest of the game is really utterly dead in the market, which ic2 and Amazon numbers at the very least belie). Still, as a sanity check typically payroll is something like 40% of gross in these kinds of operations (take it from me, been there). So, you're talking a good $150k a month payroll. Even if WotC pays their IT people a LOT that's still 10-15 people on staff. So even at the low number it would seem like DDI can pay for itself and more reasonably. Again, that does kind of point to the real number not being a lot larger, there's just no way they've got 40 people working on DDI at high salary. Even with DR's cut and acquisition, etc... So, 62k really does pass a pretty good smell test. It also seems like a pretty good number from other directions. I mean even if 4e is not THAT popular there are still bound to be 100's of 1000s of people that have played it and play it with some regularity. If 1 in 5 (basically all the DMs) are getting DDI, then you're in a reasonable territory there. [/QUOTE]
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