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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6100144" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, except for the fact that I know from experience that if your subscription lapses you are no longer a member of the DDI group, and you can't JOIN that group, except by subscribing, thus everyone in that group is paying for DDI (or there's some bug/exception/deliberate misdirection going on). I think Delricho's idea COULD be correct. I had a forum account long before I got DDI, so I am not sure how that works exactly, the logins are the same, but I guess there's some sort of setup you have to do be a forum member and thus be in groups beyond just getting a DDI account? Certainly the two are associated but not identical since obviously you don't get kicked off the forum when you stop buying DDI. I think the whole group membership thing is SOME sort of indicator of something, but its hard to say what for sure, and its not unreasonable to be skeptical that it represents a simple tally of current DDI members. We will never know. It pays to be skeptical, but OTOH 80k users for a world-wide service where the whole community has millions of participants isn't far-fetched, and the fact that the number continues to go up still doesn't surprise me or conflict with personal experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6100144, member: 82106"] Well, except for the fact that I know from experience that if your subscription lapses you are no longer a member of the DDI group, and you can't JOIN that group, except by subscribing, thus everyone in that group is paying for DDI (or there's some bug/exception/deliberate misdirection going on). I think Delricho's idea COULD be correct. I had a forum account long before I got DDI, so I am not sure how that works exactly, the logins are the same, but I guess there's some sort of setup you have to do be a forum member and thus be in groups beyond just getting a DDI account? Certainly the two are associated but not identical since obviously you don't get kicked off the forum when you stop buying DDI. I think the whole group membership thing is SOME sort of indicator of something, but its hard to say what for sure, and its not unreasonable to be skeptical that it represents a simple tally of current DDI members. We will never know. It pays to be skeptical, but OTOH 80k users for a world-wide service where the whole community has millions of participants isn't far-fetched, and the fact that the number continues to go up still doesn't surprise me or conflict with personal experience. [/QUOTE]

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