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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1711127" data-attributes="member: 177">You said it was &quot;supposedly&quot; so.&nbsp; Right after questioning the validity of the largest known market research on RPG players.&nbsp; That read to me as &quot;Supposedly this is so, but I doubt it&quot;.&nbsp; My apologies if I read you incorrectly.You don't need market research to see that the majority is not comprised of heavy fan message board users.&nbsp; You can get that information by looking at how few folks actually frequent EN WOrld, the WotC boards, and places like RPG.net.Until such time as clear market research makes a definitive distinction of what the majority is, one should not take a small selective community to be representative of the whole.&nbsp; That's probably a good thing.&nbsp; The DMG is pretty straightforward that the whole EL and CR system are guidelines.&nbsp; They cannot be any more stringent than that, as the game has far too many variables.&nbsp; Even when using it for the archetypal party, it needs DM oversight.&nbsp; Rather than trying to extend the system, it seems wise to me to instead make it explicit that it needs even more oversight when used for other cases.Oh, and I realize I didn't answer in the thread: my group has 5 players and 1 DM.</blockquote>[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 1711127, member: 177"] You said it was "supposedly" so. Right after questioning the validity of the largest known market research on RPG players. That read to me as "Supposedly this is so, but I doubt it". My apologies if I read you incorrectly. You don't need market research to see that the majority is not comprised of heavy fan message board users. You can get that information by looking at how few folks actually frequent EN WOrld, the WotC boards, and places like RPG.net. Until such time as clear market research makes a definitive distinction of what the majority is, one should not take a small selective community to be representative of the whole. That's probably a good thing. The DMG is pretty straightforward that the whole EL and CR system are guidelines. They cannot be any more stringent than that, as the game has far too many variables. Even when using it for the archetypal party, it needs DM oversight. Rather than trying to extend the system, it seems wise to me to instead make it explicit that it needs even more oversight when used for other cases. Oh, and I realize I didn't answer in the thread: my group has 5 players and 1 DM.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

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