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Message: <blockquote data-quote="seasong" data-source="post: 570115" data-attributes="member: 5137">Point. You're right.I still think an event can justify the PrC (given the nature of the characters and the event), but I can more easily see your desire to make them work for a level before gaining it.Yes, I did. I also did not tell him he couldn't have feats in the future, or tell him that he couldn't create a feat and ask me for it, or otherwise try to do a "blanket denial". I just decided that, in this one case (decided case by case), that great cleave simply did not fit the power level I wanted the campaign to operate at yet, and definitely didn't fit the '1 point' rule. He'll still be getting great cleave tightly to his bosom, just later on, at a more appropriate cost.The important thing is this: I decided it. The player had no conflict of interest in taking it, because keeping it wasn't his decision.To use your example, if the doctor doesn't have the private information to give, it doesn't matter who he talks to. Yes, some people may carry the perception that he shouldn't be talking to this or that person, but personally, I'm more inclined to view those people as disruptive than the doctor.Similarly, if the player can not make the decision about the PrC's inclusion or denial, the person who cries foul about the player suggesting the PrC is the disruptive one.One the other hand, the one who says, "Hey, isn't a 3d10 hit die just a leetle over the top?" is doing the DM a valuable service. But that's a very different thing from saying the player shouldn't be able to influence or suggest a PrC in the first place.</blockquote>Every group is differnt, but I am talking about a general rule.  A possible exception is a player submitting ideas (and Ideas only, no mechanics) for a PrC for a different player becasue at least the interest is indirect.[/QUOTE]Again, I don't see the conflict of interest.Regarding a thousand words of flavor text:Yes, and I don't like those PrCs. They usually singularly fail to capture my interest... which translates rather directly into them not being accepted in my campaigns.Oh, yeah, me too! Periodically, I mean. Say, with the phase of the moon <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.And yet I have to ask, why? Do you fear that the DM is unable to judge whether or not the resulting PrC is overpowered or too front-loaded? If so, comment on the suggestions made on these boards! If you see something front-loaded, make sure the DM hears from you about it!But, as mentioned above, that's a very different thing from blanket denial of the process of the suggestion.[/QUOTE]

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