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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 573801" data-attributes="member: 812">incognito:What strikes me most about your comments is how you try and describe your experiences in broad generalizations. I think you'd find with much more sympathy if you simply explained your experiences. It sounds like you've gotten a pretty hard time from your players. That's unfortunate. But to make sweeping statements about all players or all prestige classes (or even most) only makes you look foolish, since we all know you haven't conducted any surveys or posted any sources for your information.And more importantly, it doesn't matter. Your experiences are perfectly valid. As are your DM rulings on your campaign. If you don't want prestige classes in your campaign, fine. You should ban them.But I should not ban them in MY campaign because of YOUR experiences, should I?See? This is what I'm talking about. What you really mean is, "My players don't have the best intentions in mind. My players just want new toys." Because MY players, for example, emphatically do NOT. Which throws your whole argument out the window.Why introduce this? Who cares what 'most of us' do? Tell us what YOU do. I'm interested.Again, here you are making blanket statements about players that are patently untrue. What I understand you to be saying is that your players do not need to be involved. That if your players were to be involved in every aspect of the game, that your game would suffer.I'm sure that's true. I'm just as sure that in my campaign the facts are different. My players are love to involve themselves in many aspects of the game. They come up with NPCs, plots, and yes, prestige classes. They enjoy it, and I enjoy it, and that's all the justification anyone needs in this game.If your experiences have been negative, I'm sorry for you.Again, what I hear you saying is how your campaigns have turned into rules arguments. That's unfortunate. It's apparent, however, from the other posts in this thread, that such a fate is not by any means inevitable. It is clearly possible for campaigns to involve players on many levels and still succeed.Please understand I am not asking you defend your stance against prestige classes in your campaign. If they're not right for your group, then you are right to ban them. Just like I'm right to ban elves, dwarves, halflings, half-orcs and gnomes. You don't need any reason beyond "I'm the DM."Who cares? It's your game. You don't need justifications and you can't build them out of flimsy generalizations. Talk about your experiences, your friends, your players and your campaign. We all want to hear that.</blockquote>

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