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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 5821523" data-attributes="member: 63508">I see a lot of people say the controller role is unnecessary. I find this odd but I know why people say this. The 3x controller was too strong and no fun if the PC was good at it. And the 4e controller was a little on the weak side unless the player powergamed and got a stun lock.But that is beside the point. Ir did get me thinking about other way to describe the functions of the game. Traditional we described them as wargaming terms as D&D rose out of a war game. But what if we thought of PCs as Trading Card Game cards.(Forgiven me as haven't play tcgs in forever) On the combat side, D&D uses the traditional roles of tcgs in it's tactics. There are characters that aim to win the fight, characters that keep the enemies from winning the fight, and characters who provide utility to the other two. Then the first group, the threats, can be split into efficient aggressive one and powerful combination ones. The other 2 groups can be split into 2 groups each as well. Defensive character could either control the enemy or attempt to prevent a TPK. The utility can be split into direct buffs or efficiency.Aggressive attacker- Slash. Slash. Slash. Blast Blast BlastPower attacker- Wait Wait...Color Spray... Sneak attackHealer- Cure Moderate WoundsController- Sleep. Hold PersonBuffer- Haste, Protection from Missiles Efficiency-... errr... new topicThe exploration side doesn't have the Offense/Defense/Other trichotomy. There is little offense in exploration outside of scouting. Exploration is all about answers. The DM chucks traps, locked chests, unfriendly people, walls, bodies of water, rickety bridges, puzzles, and  hungers at the party. When the party throws out a threat, the DM gets all mad as they teleport and fly over their threat.So exploration cannot be split in Offense/Defense/Other. All the player function are defensive. Instead the answers to the DM's threats are grouped.Dungeon challengesWilderness challengesUrban challengesAthletic challengesThe trichodomy works for Interaction. Someone rolls a Charisma skill/check to convince the target. Another person rolls Wisdom to prevent being misled. Sometime the DM calls for a Intelligence roll to craft the idea or gather resources for the diplomatic action.</blockquote>

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