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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 7989915" data-attributes="member: 6677017">Yes and no.I think a point that almost never gets brought up in this sort of discussion is that for one side, the details of how that superhuman-ness works are irrelevant, and for the other side they are highly relevant. When they implausibly break something with their bare hands, is it because they literally have strength beyond what a human body should be able to have (such as Captain America), or it is because they have skills at applying what they do have (such as a real-world martial artist breaking boards and such)?It needs to be acknowledged that the fact that this difference matters to some people is a meaningful thing that cannot be ignored. Heck, it's kind of the basis of half of the debates that happen related to it.</blockquote>