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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6012022" data-attributes="member: 92511">Oh. Absolutely. It'll become a mire before it's a bridge VERY quickly.Which is why I'm even a little wary of 10 options per Big 4 classes (Ftr/Cle/Rog/Mag). But you need at LEAST that many to make the Fighter folks not scream bloody murder about their lack of options &quot;the fighter has nothing to do!!! Why's there an archer but I can't specialize with my guisarme?!? How come the guy with a longsword gets a bonus but I can't use two short swords as well?!&quot; etc...etc...I absolutely agree.i could certainly get behind that...but also wasn't the whole specialties/backgrounds/schemes/etc... supposed to be optional? Wasn't there a 'default&quot;/simple/&quot;Basic&quot; game that wouldn't include any of those things? If they've canned that, then absolutely YES! Include a deafulat &quot;build&quot; for the &quot;basic X class&quot;.This also makes sense...and is why I started with 10 options for the core 4 and then knocked it back to 3 for everyone else...with certain/non-caster classes getting to choose their own three or from the 10 for 2 core classes each.I very much agree though, the bugs could easily begin to outweigh the features if the PHB becomes bogged down in &quot;let's get everything in we possibly can to start with.&quot; That's what expansion/splat books are for! The other upside of that...say, for example, I am not a &quot;Fighter PC&quot; kinda guy. I like my Mages. I can just get the &quot;All-about-Mages Splat Book of Build Option Speciality Awesomeness&quot;...vice versa, pick up the &quot;All-About-Fighters every possible archetype who ever did damage with anything Splat book.&quot;No class, big 4 or not, can or should get every possible specialty in the initial PHB release. They just can't. It's not possible.I'll admit, my list is a bit long and more imposing than I ever expected it would be. But since Sorcerers need a Heritage and Warlocks need a Pact, we can't very well have Bards or Druids or Assassins not getting extra options, now could we? That would be CRAZY! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />--SD</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6012022, member: 92511"] Oh. Absolutely. It'll become a mire before it's a bridge VERY quickly. Which is why I'm even a little wary of 10 options per Big 4 classes (Ftr/Cle/Rog/Mag). But you need at LEAST that many to make the Fighter folks not scream bloody murder about their lack of options "the fighter has nothing to do!!! Why's there an archer but I can't specialize with my guisarme?!? How come the guy with a longsword gets a bonus but I can't use two short swords as well?!" etc...etc... I absolutely agree. i could certainly get behind that...but also wasn't the whole specialties/backgrounds/schemes/etc... supposed to be optional? Wasn't there a 'default"/simple/"Basic" game that wouldn't include any of those things? If they've canned that, then absolutely YES! Include a deafulat "build" for the "basic X class". This also makes sense...and is why I started with 10 options for the core 4 and then knocked it back to 3 for everyone else...with certain/non-caster classes getting to choose their own three or from the 10 for 2 core classes each. I very much agree though, the bugs could easily begin to outweigh the features if the PHB becomes bogged down in "let's get everything in we possibly can to start with." That's what expansion/splat books are for! The other upside of that...say, for example, I am not a "Fighter PC" kinda guy. I like my Mages. I can just get the "All-about-Mages Splat Book of Build Option Speciality Awesomeness"...vice versa, pick up the "All-About-Fighters every possible archetype who ever did damage with anything Splat book." No class, big 4 or not, can or should get every possible specialty in the initial PHB release. They just can't. It's not possible. I'll admit, my list is a bit long and more imposing than I ever expected it would be. But since Sorcerers need a Heritage and Warlocks need a Pact, we can't very well have Bards or Druids or Assassins not getting extra options, now could we? That would be CRAZY! ;) --SD [/QUOTE]

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