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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7289475" data-attributes="member: 16814">Well, we're adult people in a social game -- if there are questions on approach, we resolve them.  It's not anything like a "You said it, and now nothing else can be said."  But, yeah, I guess if you have a gotcha jerk as DM, your last bit there might be a problem, but I'd rather just not play with that DM.Again, you miss the point.  The player is still deciding how they engage the framing, but instead of going straight to mechanics they just naturally say what they want to.do.  If the DM thinks that works without a roll, then it works, no mechanics needed.  Only at the point a declared approach is uncertain are mechanics engaged, and they're engaged unsung the player stated approach, not a predetermined DM skill check.The DC isn't given until the roll and stakes ate set based on the layers declared action and approach, so, again, you've missed the point.Right up until your roll begins the screen is what hastens at my table.  I don't roll dice for my players, though.  If it's uncertain, they roll, and success and failure are clearly set.Is it really so hard for a player to know that they have a good persuasion score to declare actions that frame advantage of that score without says "I roll persuasion!"?  How the player forms action declarations is up to them.  If you imagine your players turn stupid ou'd the can't just name skills on their character sheet, that's on you.</blockquote>

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