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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5216040" data-attributes="member: 87792">Um.&nbsp; What level were court wizards in your game?&nbsp; Because level 11 tends to be extremely noticeable in 3e.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is all new information that reverses the previous version of events.&nbsp; Something being said and something being joked about are very different. &nbsp;&quot;After the campaign, though, the player who wrote the complex double-agent background said that in order to prevent a lich-mom type scenario, he would write a background so detailed, yet so mundane, that it would be impossible for me to come up with anything bad. On the other side, everybody else said that they would go for the “blank slate” background to prevent a lich-mom scenario.&quot;And if you knew the players well enough to know what sort of tricks that way they would enjoy, and it worked, fair enough.&nbsp; (And it may have gone down better as being the second background - and therefore minor rather than major to the character).&nbsp;Depends.&nbsp; I've never yet had a DM who didn't annoy me in some way (and that goes double for me when DMing.&nbsp; And there are many motivations for playing with a group.&nbsp; For one you clearly managed to make it tense and challenging - which on its own means you did that part.&nbsp; In short, it was clearly well executed however good or bad the initial idea.&nbsp;&nbsp;The assumption was based on your words - expanded to say the PCs did not want.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'd have taken that as a trial baloon.&nbsp; And if the PC hadn't liked it, villains lie.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nah.&nbsp; Stupidity.&nbsp; Which is often worse.&nbsp; He wasn't doing it to screw anyone over (as far as I know).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5216040, member: 87792"] Um. What level were court wizards in your game? Because level 11 tends to be extremely noticeable in 3e. This is all new information that reverses the previous version of events. Something being said and something being joked about are very different. [I]"After the campaign, though, the player who wrote the complex double-agent background said that in order to prevent a lich-mom type scenario, he would write a background so detailed, yet so mundane, that it would be impossible for me to come up with anything bad. On the other side, everybody else said that they would go for the “blank slate” background to prevent a lich-mom scenario."[/I] And if you knew the players well enough to know what sort of tricks that way they would enjoy, and it worked, fair enough. (And it may have gone down better as being the second background - and therefore minor rather than major to the character). Depends. I've never yet had a DM who didn't annoy me in some way (and that goes double for me when DMing. And there are many motivations for playing with a group. For one you clearly managed to make it tense and challenging - which on its own means you did that part. In short, it was clearly well executed however good or bad the initial idea. The assumption was based on your words - expanded to say the PCs did not want. I'd have taken that as a trial baloon. And if the PC hadn't liked it, villains lie. Nah. Stupidity. Which is often worse. He wasn't doing it to screw anyone over (as far as I know). [/QUOTE]

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