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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5216203" data-attributes="member: 18280">Well, that's pretty much all of my objection, then.A PC's family/friends/home town is not the PCs.  All of these things are fair game for the GM.  The GM is well advised, however, to make the twists he adds cooler than the player expected (although not always to the benefit of the PC!!!!!) so as to make the player glad for the background provided.....but as to whether it should be "fair game" to pull something like this off at all, well, I agree with you.It is fair game.Erm.In most cases, adding fantastic elements requires the frame of the story, apart from those elements, be cohesive enough to prevent the :rollseyes: reaction from the reader/audience.  This is true in an RPG, also, IMHO and IME.  Perhaps moreso, because the players are expected to engage with the fiction far more than the reader/audience of a novel/story/movie are.Speaking of which, I finally managed to track down and read what seems likely to be the source of the D&D lich.  The skeletal remains of a wizard appears in Gardner Fox's Kothar - Barbarian Swordsman.  Apparently, this undead creature can cast hold person, as well as several other spells, and is referred to as a "lich".  Gardner Fox was admired by Gary Gygax, who also knew him in person.RC</blockquote>