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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5216332" data-attributes="member: 87792">If, somehow, she had an int in the superhuman range then that would be worthy of notice in the background.  From the lack we can assume she does not.  And by giving her such you are changing her.  If she was a wizard, we can assume that would be in her background - it would be noticeable and memorable.  So whatever her existing levels are in, it can't be wizard.Because it is.  There are many extraordinary things required to become a lich.  I was pointing them out.And it wasn't defined that she didn't have two heads and eight arms.  But it would have been incredibly noticeable and therefore can assumed not to be the case.  As would superhuman intelligence.You don't need to define that someone doesn't have extraordinary and noticeable qualities, that is the default assumption. A gain of intelligence from the 9-13 range to around 21?  Suuuure.  And putting on 18 levels of wizard.I am not.  I am simply saying that people don't change that much.  You've changed her stats (made her superhumanly intelligent).  You've changed her class (to wizard).  What next?  Changing her race?  Oh, wait.  She's now a lich.(Now were she to simply have become a cult leader, that would have been fine)You mean you are either not reading it or not understanding it.  I think that her becoming more obsessed and capable than every other ambitious mage in the land - most of whom have a huge headstart is utterly unreasonable, yes.:eyeroll:Try actually trying to understand what I'm writing.  You seem to think that a middle aged person with no prior class levels or outstanding talent gaining 18 in the slowest class is reasonable.  I think that if they could do that then lots of people would have.  This doesn't mean that you can't reach lichdom - merely that very few people have that potential, and that it takes inhuman training, dedication, and time.  Not something that can be learned even in ten years.On the other hand, if she was known to be superhumanly intelligent and to have had an early start on magic, only putting it to one side to raise her kids, yes it would be plausible.  Just.  Even thenAnd I will point out.  Again.  That PCs draw on all their resources every day at risk to their lives.  They grow by overcoming inhumanly tough challenges and that is why they level up so fast.  Or die in the process (the reason most wizards don't do this - life expectancy of PCs is not good).  It's destruct testing.If she had literally reordered nations, faced down demons (or angels) and the whole range of other stuff done by PCs by the time they are in the teen levels, this would have had a huge impact on the world and would be known about.  If she had not, then any comparison to the way PCs level is spurious - because she didn't do it that way.Is there a massive swathe of corpses in her wake?  Has she utterly reordered her surroundings?  Did she join a party to compensate for her weaknesses (being incredibly squishy - remember housecats can beat up L1 wizards)?  Or is the town more or less as it was before?  In which case she didn't do things the PC way.No.  You are either not reading or not understanding.  If it's not understanding, all I can do is repeat the same arguments over again until I get bored.</blockquote>

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